The other day, a friend and I were walking past some storefronts and noticed that one claimed to be a barber college. My friend noted that it takes 1,800 hours of training to become “certified as a barber” in Ohio. That got me thinking about the level of training ICE agents receive.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, ICE applicants are required to take an 8-week in-person course at ICE’s academy in Georgia. Training includes courses in immigration law and handling a gun, as well as physical fitness tests.
Assuming a 40-hour week, that equates to 320 hours of training — far less than it takes to become any city police officer — or even a barber. Let that sink in a bit…
Now this is crazy this equates to an ICE agent getting 82% less training than a barber. Don’t know too many barbers that need to be physically fit, or know how to handle a gun properly or the ins and outs of federal laws welding those scissors or hair shears.
Given the Department’s rush to add 10,000 new ICE agents and the Felon’s regime disregard for any regulations and standards, this by far is nuts. Where’s any of these “well trained” agents to fulfill any of the rhetoric that comes out of Kristi Noem’s mouth, JD Vance or that small man Bovino. How often are we hearing “well trained” ICE agents, in any of these press conferences or speeches, honestly a zoo monkey is better well trained.
Considering this is way beyond minimal to say the least. It’s really not a stretch that they use 5-year olds as “bait” or shoot innocent people.. is it?
Despite the rhetoric, ICE’s presence in our communities is not making any of us safer — just the opposite is happening as these heavily armed and poorly trained officers are sent out to terrorize communities. Terrorize children, families and are doing so many illegalities it’s just non-stop and we all should be saying “Enough” to these actions.
Let your representatives know that Congress needs to pass legislation mandating that ICE agents — especially since these monkeys may be armed — they need, as a minimum, the same level of training required for actual police officers, including de-escalation of tensions and respect for the people they encounter and maybe have them take a test on the Constitution. That ought to weed out at least 99%..
I doubt better training will improve the behavior of ICE agents. The problem isn’t how they’re trained, it’s who they are and the actual mission they are completing.
ICE has recruited from a number of paramilitary groups, including J6 pardoned convicts and white supremacist organizations. These recruits are chosen for their willingness to be not merely aggressive but frankly brutal. The recruiting ads make this clear.
Their supposed mission is to locate and deport violently criminal illegal immigrants. Their actual mission is ethnic cleansing.
Using racial profiling, they are brutally detaining people of color — including citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants — and vanishing them into a network of poorly supervised, nontransparent prisons located in remote areas of the country.
I don’t think you can train Nazis to be kind and caring custodians. The culture of racism and brutality as well as the pressure to meet unrealistically high daily arrest quotas have already permeated both ICE and the CBP.
I think we have to pause ICE/CBP activity and suspend all agents pending a detailed vetting of their backgrounds, training, and employment record. CBP agents should be sent back to the border where they belong. ICE should be renamed and the agents who passed vetting should be retrained appropriately. The new version of ICE should be untainted by racism or brutality, focusing instead on lawful arrests, careful attention to proper judicial procedures, and respect for human rights.
The point was that ICE shouldn’t even at this point exist in its current form. There’s no training at all.
The hiring process is totally broken, in my opinion they’ve hired Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and the dredges of society that their main premise is based upon hatred, bigotry and prejudices. They are a mirror of this regime as white supremacy but no longer in hoods but face masks with guns. They are a mix of the Brown shirts and Gestapo of Nazi Germany.
Brown shirts were the thugs, the Gestapo sent the people to the concentration camps.
The CBP has also broken down as well under Rodney Scott. He’s a foul thing he sent a rape threat to a female border patrol officer.
It needs to be dissolved but unfortunately it won’t be under this regime. Am extremely upset over the Dems who voted for their funding and now sits in the Senate for their vote next week.
These are the House Democrats who voted with Republicans to give ICE more money:
The point was that ICE shouldn’t even at this point exist in its current form. There’s no training at all.
The hiring process is totally broken, in my opinion they’ve hired Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and the dredges of society that their main premise is based upon hatred, bigotry and prejudices. They are a mirror of this regime as white supremacy but no longer in hoods but face masks with guns. They are a mix of the Brown shirts and Gestapo of Nazi Germany.
Brown shirts were the thugs, the Gestapo sent the people to the concentration camps.
The CBP has also broken down as well under Rodney Scott. He’s a foul thing he sent a rape threat to a female border patrol officer.
It needs to be dissolved but unfortunately it won’t be under this regime. Am extremely upset over the Dems who voted for their funding and now sits in the Senate for their vote next week.
These are the House Democrats who voted with Republicans to give ICE more money:
The Fourth Amendment has been tested many times and its core has been solid. Most of the amendment is unshakeable, like a judge must sign a warrant based on an oath/\affirmation of a police officer who has probable cause to need a warrant and a warrant must name the place to be searched and the person or thing to be seized. Over the years, exceptions to the need for a warrant have been decided and clarified through court cases.
I learned this acronym for warrantless searches from a former FBI SA turned college professor who learned from his FBI training. I believe most/all of these are still standing. Every cop knows these and they know that they cannot create any of these circumstances and then use that as a reason for a search. Most warrantless searches are done through consent. There are reasons for that.
SPACESHIP
S: Search incident to lawful arrest aka the Chimel Rule (Chimel v. California 1969)
P: Plain View aka The plain view doctrine (Hicks v. Arizona 1987)
A: Automobile exception (Carroll v. U.S. 1925)
C: Consent
E: Emergency or Exigency (risk of escape, destruction of evidence, safety)
S: Stop and Frisk* (Terry v. Ohio 1968)
H: Hot pursuit - probable cause (Warden v. Hayden 1967)
I: Inventory - for automobiles in police impound (California v. Acevedo 1991)
S(P)ecial circumstances: No expectation of right to privacy - airports, borders, jails, schools, federal buildings, probationers, garbage
* In 2013, Floyd v State of New York ruled NYPD's Stop and Frisk unconstitutional
The state of KY has two bills (one Senate, one House) that would mandate that our state police (and maybe local) just join with ICE to do immigration work together. This has instantly become concerning to people in my community and there is already discussion on how to stop these bills from coming into law. What will happen if they pass is that the people of KY will no longer have any trust for our law enforcement and a lot of the former trust will be replaced by fear.
Thugs rule! We cannot reform this current batch of ICE workers so we must abolish the lot of them as they are beyond incorporating into anything that could be reformed into a better ICE system. The same goes for Homeland Security under Noem. I would not trust anyone who has carried out her outrageous orders. Just abolish it all and start over. We are living in unthinkable times in which the once thought over-the-top elimination of programs and departments would be in excess, but we were wrong. We are living in excesses of chaos everyday!
do you even wonder whether folks like Leavitt , Noem, or the ICE liar-in-pettychief could pass a lie detector test? Have they convinced themselves that no citizens are being detained, or that trump never said Iceland, or whatever the lie of the moment is. THAT is a scary thought: that they are not liars but self-deluding zealots.
The guy who wrote the memo on warrants however: he's just a liar. But together they have made the Con Law of law school into Conman law.
It’s a shanda - a disgrace, disgusting, alarming. How is it no one has standing to bring/or has brought this administration’s egregious violations of our constitutional rights to a stop - not case by case, but broadly? Cannot a Supreme Court majority step in with a pointed reminder of what the Fourth Amendment protects and disallows? While not assured, the American public would not likely want to see a middle finger to the Supreme Court.
The other day, a friend and I were walking past some storefronts and noticed that one claimed to be a barber college. My friend noted that it takes 1,800 hours of training to become “certified as a barber” in Ohio. That got me thinking about the level of training ICE agents receive.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, ICE applicants are required to take an 8-week in-person course at ICE’s academy in Georgia. Training includes courses in immigration law and handling a gun, as well as physical fitness tests.
Assuming a 40-hour week, that equates to 320 hours of training — far less than it takes to become any city police officer — or even a barber. Let that sink in a bit…
Now this is crazy this equates to an ICE agent getting 82% less training than a barber. Don’t know too many barbers that need to be physically fit, or know how to handle a gun properly or the ins and outs of federal laws welding those scissors or hair shears.
Given the Department’s rush to add 10,000 new ICE agents and the Felon’s regime disregard for any regulations and standards, this by far is nuts. Where’s any of these “well trained” agents to fulfill any of the rhetoric that comes out of Kristi Noem’s mouth, JD Vance or that small man Bovino. How often are we hearing “well trained” ICE agents, in any of these press conferences or speeches, honestly a zoo monkey is better well trained.
Considering this is way beyond minimal to say the least. It’s really not a stretch that they use 5-year olds as “bait” or shoot innocent people.. is it?
Despite the rhetoric, ICE’s presence in our communities is not making any of us safer — just the opposite is happening as these heavily armed and poorly trained officers are sent out to terrorize communities. Terrorize children, families and are doing so many illegalities it’s just non-stop and we all should be saying “Enough” to these actions.
Let your representatives know that Congress needs to pass legislation mandating that ICE agents — especially since these monkeys may be armed — they need, as a minimum, the same level of training required for actual police officers, including de-escalation of tensions and respect for the people they encounter and maybe have them take a test on the Constitution. That ought to weed out at least 99%..
I doubt better training will improve the behavior of ICE agents. The problem isn’t how they’re trained, it’s who they are and the actual mission they are completing.
ICE has recruited from a number of paramilitary groups, including J6 pardoned convicts and white supremacist organizations. These recruits are chosen for their willingness to be not merely aggressive but frankly brutal. The recruiting ads make this clear.
Their supposed mission is to locate and deport violently criminal illegal immigrants. Their actual mission is ethnic cleansing.
Using racial profiling, they are brutally detaining people of color — including citizens, legal immigrants, and illegal immigrants — and vanishing them into a network of poorly supervised, nontransparent prisons located in remote areas of the country.
I don’t think you can train Nazis to be kind and caring custodians. The culture of racism and brutality as well as the pressure to meet unrealistically high daily arrest quotas have already permeated both ICE and the CBP.
I think we have to pause ICE/CBP activity and suspend all agents pending a detailed vetting of their backgrounds, training, and employment record. CBP agents should be sent back to the border where they belong. ICE should be renamed and the agents who passed vetting should be retrained appropriately. The new version of ICE should be untainted by racism or brutality, focusing instead on lawful arrests, careful attention to proper judicial procedures, and respect for human rights.
Agree
The point was that ICE shouldn’t even at this point exist in its current form. There’s no training at all.
The hiring process is totally broken, in my opinion they’ve hired Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and the dredges of society that their main premise is based upon hatred, bigotry and prejudices. They are a mirror of this regime as white supremacy but no longer in hoods but face masks with guns. They are a mix of the Brown shirts and Gestapo of Nazi Germany.
Brown shirts were the thugs, the Gestapo sent the people to the concentration camps.
The CBP has also broken down as well under Rodney Scott. He’s a foul thing he sent a rape threat to a female border patrol officer.
It needs to be dissolved but unfortunately it won’t be under this regime. Am extremely upset over the Dems who voted for their funding and now sits in the Senate for their vote next week.
These are the House Democrats who voted with Republicans to give ICE more money:
Jared Golden (ME-02)
Don Davis (NC-01)
Tom Suozzi (NY-03)
Laura Gillen (NY-04)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Vicente Gonzalez (TX-34)
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (WA-03)
Agree
The point was that ICE shouldn’t even at this point exist in its current form. There’s no training at all.
The hiring process is totally broken, in my opinion they’ve hired Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and the dredges of society that their main premise is based upon hatred, bigotry and prejudices. They are a mirror of this regime as white supremacy but no longer in hoods but face masks with guns. They are a mix of the Brown shirts and Gestapo of Nazi Germany.
Brown shirts were the thugs, the Gestapo sent the people to the concentration camps.
The CBP has also broken down as well under Rodney Scott. He’s a foul thing he sent a rape threat to a female border patrol officer.
It needs to be dissolved but unfortunately it won’t be under this regime. Am extremely upset over the Dems who voted for their funding and now sits in the Senate for their vote next week.
These are the House Democrats who voted with Republicans to give ICE more money:
Jared Golden (ME-02)
Don Davis (NC-01)
Tom Suozzi (NY-03)
Laura Gillen (NY-04)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Vicente Gonzalez (TX-34)
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (WA-03)
The Fourth Amendment has been tested many times and its core has been solid. Most of the amendment is unshakeable, like a judge must sign a warrant based on an oath/\affirmation of a police officer who has probable cause to need a warrant and a warrant must name the place to be searched and the person or thing to be seized. Over the years, exceptions to the need for a warrant have been decided and clarified through court cases.
I learned this acronym for warrantless searches from a former FBI SA turned college professor who learned from his FBI training. I believe most/all of these are still standing. Every cop knows these and they know that they cannot create any of these circumstances and then use that as a reason for a search. Most warrantless searches are done through consent. There are reasons for that.
SPACESHIP
S: Search incident to lawful arrest aka the Chimel Rule (Chimel v. California 1969)
P: Plain View aka The plain view doctrine (Hicks v. Arizona 1987)
A: Automobile exception (Carroll v. U.S. 1925)
C: Consent
E: Emergency or Exigency (risk of escape, destruction of evidence, safety)
S: Stop and Frisk* (Terry v. Ohio 1968)
H: Hot pursuit - probable cause (Warden v. Hayden 1967)
I: Inventory - for automobiles in police impound (California v. Acevedo 1991)
S(P)ecial circumstances: No expectation of right to privacy - airports, borders, jails, schools, federal buildings, probationers, garbage
* In 2013, Floyd v State of New York ruled NYPD's Stop and Frisk unconstitutional
The state of KY has two bills (one Senate, one House) that would mandate that our state police (and maybe local) just join with ICE to do immigration work together. This has instantly become concerning to people in my community and there is already discussion on how to stop these bills from coming into law. What will happen if they pass is that the people of KY will no longer have any trust for our law enforcement and a lot of the former trust will be replaced by fear.
Thugs rule! We cannot reform this current batch of ICE workers so we must abolish the lot of them as they are beyond incorporating into anything that could be reformed into a better ICE system. The same goes for Homeland Security under Noem. I would not trust anyone who has carried out her outrageous orders. Just abolish it all and start over. We are living in unthinkable times in which the once thought over-the-top elimination of programs and departments would be in excess, but we were wrong. We are living in excesses of chaos everyday!
do you even wonder whether folks like Leavitt , Noem, or the ICE liar-in-pettychief could pass a lie detector test? Have they convinced themselves that no citizens are being detained, or that trump never said Iceland, or whatever the lie of the moment is. THAT is a scary thought: that they are not liars but self-deluding zealots.
The guy who wrote the memo on warrants however: he's just a liar. But together they have made the Con Law of law school into Conman law.
Good points
It’s a shanda - a disgrace, disgusting, alarming. How is it no one has standing to bring/or has brought this administration’s egregious violations of our constitutional rights to a stop - not case by case, but broadly? Cannot a Supreme Court majority step in with a pointed reminder of what the Fourth Amendment protects and disallows? While not assured, the American public would not likely want to see a middle finger to the Supreme Court.
underestimating ‘the enemy’..even from within🇺🇸..is how the war ends….